Lou Elizondo

OK so, you know, thanks for coming on the show, Luis.
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Thank you for having me-- my honor and privilege.
0:03
Yeah, it's really nice to take a break talking
0:06
about divisive American politics
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to talk about what is going on?
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It's aliens?
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Well, first of all, we don't call them aliens anymore.
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That's kind of a politically incorrect term.
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We call them-- RONNY CHIENG: Oh, they're woke.
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The aliens are woke.
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We now call them in the Pentagon NHI,
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Non-Human Intelligence.
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OK, maybe we should probably give
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people your bonafides a bit.
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You are-- You ran--
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You are in intelligence and counterintelligence for the--
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Right.
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Yeah, so after college, I spent some time, went
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into the United States Army, spent some time
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in military intelligence.
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And then from there, I was recruited
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into some special activity programs
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where I became a special agent in counterintelligence,
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investigating terrorism and espionage.
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And in 2009, early 2009, I was brought in
0:50
to run counterintelligence for that program, what is now known
0:54
as AATIP, the Advanced Aerospace
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Threat Identification Program.
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And later on, I wound up being one of its senior members.
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RONNY CHIENG: Right, so you are a military man, A veteran.
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You are intelligence officer, counterintelligence officer,
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A grown adult. By your own words,
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you're also a fact-based person.
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You've said that in interviews.
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Fact, yeah.
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But I'm also proof that you don't
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have to be intelligent to be an intelligence officer.
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Well, no, I wouldn't go that far.
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Let me just put that out there.
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OK well, let me put this out there.
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What the [BLEEP] is going on with these aliens?
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There's aliens?
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So what is alien? What is going on?
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There's aliens?
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What-- what is this?
1:30
So the US government for many decades
1:32
has been investing a lot of taxpayer money
1:34
looking into this topic here.
1:36
And it turns out that there are absolutely technologies that
1:39
are coming into our controlled US airspace,
1:42
over our sensitive military installations--
1:45
may have the ability to interfere
1:46
with our nuclear equities.
1:48
And yeah, it's real.
1:50
And not only are pilots picking it up and reporting it,
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also, we've got an electro-optical data
1:54
like gun camera footage, flare footage, and also radar data.
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And it's not just here.
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It looks like it's pretty pervasive all over the
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world now.
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[LAUGHTER]
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So what? There's aliens.
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There's [BLEEP] aliens.
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There are [BLEEP] aliens on Earth right now,
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and they are doing shit.
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What are they doing?
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Depending how you put those two words together,
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I'm not sure [INAUDIBLE]--
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I'm not sure they're necessarily--
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You can't hear me?
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Yo, there are [BLEEP] aliens come.
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OK, so what are they doing?
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What are they doing here?
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What are they doing?
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So it appears that they're very
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interested in our technology.
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We don't know yet.
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I want to be very clear here. RONNY CHIENG: But why?
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They came here.
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They don't want to look at my iPhone 16.
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[LAUGHS] No, but--
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They got shit that flew across the stars.
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They don't care about--
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They are very interested in our military equities
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and capabilities and also our nuclear technology.
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And I think, for me, what was most compelling is
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that, in some cases you had literally,
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literally near misses of US combat aircraft coming
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within 15 feet of these objects, in some cases,
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literally splitting a combat formation
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right down the middle.
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These are things that can do things that none
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of our vehicles can replicate.
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Their performance capabilities are far beyond anything
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that we have.
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And quite frankly, there's not a whole lot
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we can do about it right now.
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[LAUGHTER]
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So beyond a shadow of a doubt,
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you've seen the evidence.
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There are aliens.
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Oh, the government's already come out.
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Look, you have a former director
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of national intelligence, a former director of CIA,
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a former president of the United States
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all coming out and saying officially,
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yeah, there's something to this.
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I mean, these things look like there's--
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they are definitely interested in our stuff.
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And furthermore, when the government first came out
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with their new UFO program called AARO,
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their first report said, yeah, there's 143 of these incidents,
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but we expect these numbers to go down as we figure them out.
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The next report that came out, there was over 300.
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The next report, there's now over 800.
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So the number is increasing, not decreasing.
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RONNY CHIENG: OK, so why-- is this getting buried
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in the cycle or something?
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Because Donald Trump says, "I hate Taylor Swift," so we
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just never see this stuff?
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What do you mean presidents?
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The government has said these things are around and we--
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Therein lies a problem.
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It's a bureaucracy.
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Look, the men and women, fine men
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and women of the Pentagon and the US government
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do incredible work.
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And most of the time, we are a lot
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better off as a society because of their professionalism.
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Unfortunately, in this particular case,
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the bureaucracy was a problem.
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We continue to try to get alarm bells up
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to the secretary of defense over and over again,
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but there was this layer of these proverbial Praetorian
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Guards that didn't want to tell the secretary of defense
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that we were spending taxpayer money looking
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into these things, and oh, by the way, turns out
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they're real.
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RONNY CHIENG: OK, are you--
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with all due respect, is there any chance
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that you are accidentally describing the synopsis
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to Independence Day?
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Because that's the movie.
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That was in the movie.
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They couldn't get to the dude.
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Yeah.
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- Because they wouldn't listen. - I hope not.
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So you're telling me aliens are going to take over because
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of US government bureaucracy?
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Well, I certainly hope that's not the case.
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I think-- you know, when we look at this issue here,
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this has been going on for decades.
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This has been going on since the late 1940s.
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Now, when I say that, people go, wait a minute.
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You're talking about Roswell?
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Was Roswell real?
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Was Roswell real?
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It was, absolutely.
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OK, so what--
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what was at Roswell?
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There was a crash.
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It was a vehicle that had broken into two pieces,
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and it was recovered by the United
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States government, taken to a secure military installation.
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And then from there, it went out to certain locations.
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What is in that book I'm allowed to talk about,
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that went through the pentagon review process,
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so I am legally able to talk about it.
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There are things that I'm still not yet allowed to talk about.
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RONNY CHIENG: What are those things?
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Tell us those things.
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[LAUGHTER]
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That sounds like--
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Well, let's see here.
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I do not look good in an orange jumpsuit,
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so I got to be very careful.
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Are you going to look good in whatever jumpsuit
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the aliens put on you?
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You better-- We better be--
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We better be--
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It sounds like we're battling aliens and bureaucracy here.
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Can we-- - Yeah.
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I don't know if we can fight a two-front war on this.
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Can we choose a side to fight here?
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I think I'd prefer to fight aliens,
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if I had to choose between bureaucracy and--
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to be honest with you.
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But OK, so in the book, you say that--
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and by the way, I mean, I read the book, and it's a very--
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it's a page turner.
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It's very well written.
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It's easy to follow In it, you say,
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like the best case scenario right now is that aliens are
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a national security threat.
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Issue. RONNY CHIENG: Issue.
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So to determine if something is a threat,
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it's really a very simple calculus.
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It's capabilities versus intent.
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Now, we've seen some of the capabilities.
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We still have no idea the intent.
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So therefore, we don't know if it's a threat.
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But let me give you a very quick analogy here.
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You probably live in a great, lovely area,
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just like your audience here.
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Do you lock your door at night?
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I live in New York City, so no, not really.
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Do you lock your front door?
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It's probably there's aliens here right now in New
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York City, as you can see.
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Yeah, I do lock my front door.
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And most people do.
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And let's say you lock your windows
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and you turn on your alarm.
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Let's say, one Sunday morning, you
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come downstairs to have a hot cup of coffee or tea,
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and despite your doors being locked and your window
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and your alarm on, there's now size 12 muddy boot prints
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on your living room floor and your carpet that weren't
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there the night before.
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And no one's been hurt.
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Nothing's out of place.
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But despite you doing all this other stuff
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and locking doors and making sure the alarm is on,
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there are now footprints on your living
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room carpet that weren't there the night before.
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My question to you is, is that a threat?
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And so my response is, from a national security perspective--
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I was wearing my national security hat--
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it could be if it wanted to be, so we
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probably should figure out how it's getting into the house.
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You should probably move at that point.
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We should probably--
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Get out of that apartment.
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There's boot prints.
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There's people walking around.
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So these things, we are encountering them
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over controlled US airspace, like I said,
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over sensitive military installations.
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And so from a national security perspective,
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we've got to figure out what these things are.
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RONNY CHIENG: No shit! No shit!
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We got to figure out what's going--
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You see, you're saying-- you're being very professional.
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You're being very technical, and you're being very calm
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as an intelligence officer.
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And then you're saying there's aliens here that we
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don't know what they want.
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What-- OK, what should people take away from this?
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There's aliens and what--
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When you see it, shoot on sight?
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What should we do?
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No, no, don't do that.
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I would recommend not doing that.
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I think what people need to know right now,
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the US government is taking this topic very seriously.
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There's several pieces of legislation that are going
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through Congress right now.
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There are members in both the House and the Senate
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that have been briefed by whistleblowers on this topic,
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people who have been part of certain efforts,
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UAP efforts in the past.
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RONNY CHIENG: You're sure it's not getting mixed
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up with the Border Act, right?
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Because that-- when you say aliens,
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I don't think they really know which
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ones you're talking about. - Right, well, these--
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I mean-- yeah, you have illegal aliens, and then you've got--
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RONNY CHIENG: You've got illegal aliens, yeah.
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You got some other--
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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So there's acts coming up.
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There's legislation.
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We're legislating against intergalactic aliens?
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Well, I think the idea is to open
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the door for whistleblowers to come out and be able to have
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a protected conversation with Congress
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so Congress can then have a conversation
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with the American people.
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I think that's really what this is about.
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And certainly, I think there are certain people--
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and by the way, for the first time,
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this is a bipartisan issue.
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You've got both liberals and conservatives on the Hill.
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Can you believe it?
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Of all things, UAP?
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Right?
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No, see, that's the most far-fetched
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thing you've said all day.
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I know, right? Right.
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That is not--
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Who would have thought?
9:09
I'll believe aliens, but this?
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Right.
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There's no way these guys are working together.
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Right. They are.
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I swear to God.
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I can't say who they are, but their names have already been,
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I think, in the press quite a bit.
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But on both sides, they are taking
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this topic very seriously.
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A lot of these folks have military backgrounds.
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RONNY CHIENG: Why don't they just let
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it out, just let the news out?
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Just tell people.
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Just show them the freaking-- show them the photo
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of the alien selfie with the president,
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and then let's get it out there, and let's handle it.
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We've spent many decades backing ourselves into a corner
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on this conversation.
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And the government has said publicly what its position is.
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Now, it's in a situation where it's
9:47
having to unwind that conversation
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and say, look, folks, we haven't
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always been completely forthcoming and truthful
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with you.
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And that's a hard conversation to have.
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RONNY CHIENG: What are you talking about?
9:55
There's aliens!
9:56
Have the conversation.
9:57
There's aliens.
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There's aliens.
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There's aliens.
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I don't know what--
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All right, well, can we stop them?
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Well, I don't know.
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I mean, that's not a question for me.
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That's a question for our leaders.
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RONNY CHIENG: It's kind of a question for you.
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I think you're the only one who can-- because it
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sounds like your attitude also seems to be like, yeah,
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they're here.
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I've seen them.
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They have capabilities beyond our understanding and nothing
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much we can do about it.
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So, you know, keep watching Paramount Plus and--
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I don't know what we're supposed to do about this now.
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Look, I personally think Americans can handle
10:31
the truth about this topic.
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I think it is--
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I mean, we can joke a lot about it,
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but the reality is is that these things,
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whatever they are, wherever they're from--
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RONNY CHIENG: They're [BLEEP] aliens.
10:40
This is real. RONNY CHIENG: Yeah so--
10:41
these are real? All right.
10:42
Yeah, it's real, whatever it is.
10:44
RONNY CHIENG: OK, well, is there a chance
10:45
that if the government tells people aliens are real
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and shows them, we'll unite together in a global effort
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to defeat them and [INAUDIBLE].
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Well, you know, there was a famous speech by Reagan
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back in the '80s where he--
10:57
RONNY CHIENG: By Bill Pullman in Independence Day.
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[LAUGHTER]
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And him, yeah, that's right.
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Where they said that if the truth of this came out,
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it would probably unite the world.
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But the reality is-- RONNY CHIENG: We need it now.
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Let's go! Aliens!
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Aliens! Let's go now.
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This is the time. - The reality is--
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This is the time.
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We got a lot of shit going down now.
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Aliens, come.
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Aliens-- now I'm down for aliens now.
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OK.
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If we-- look, uniting Congress is already
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a big enough challenge.
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Let's get these folks on the same sheet of music.
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Let's get the briefings they need
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and then let them have a conversation
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with their constituents.
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RONNY CHIENG: You're talking about paperwork.
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I'm talking about aliens.
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OK, but the government survives off paperwork.
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It is a bureaucracy, unfortunately.
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So we have to--
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look, I've always said-- there's
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a there's a right way to do things,
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and you can do also it right now.
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But they're not necessarily the same thing.
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Doing things right and right now
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may not be, you know, the same, the same thing.
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RONNY CHIENG: What do you mean?
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There's aliens, and you want to go through bureaucracy
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and try to unite Congress before you
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can fight the aliens?
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No, fight the aliens.
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Get the aliens out.
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I think there's opportunity here.
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In the last seven years, I think
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we've come further on this conversation
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than we have the last 70.
12:06
There are elements now in the government that want
12:07
this conversation to occur.
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They want the American people to know, look,
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this is the worst kept secret at this point, probably
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in the US government.
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I mean, it's pathetic, the fact that so many people now
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in our in our militaries, our intelligence communities
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have even in some cases come up close
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and personal with these things. - Wait, what?
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Yeah.
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RONNY CHIENG: OK.
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This is-- OK, this is crazy.
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Anyway, Imminent is avail--
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[LAUGHTER]
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Imminent is available now.
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I wish we could talk for hours about this thing,
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but Luis Elizondo, everybody.

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K so, you know, thanks for coming on the show, Luis.
Thank you for having me-- my honor and privilege.
Yeah, it's really nice to take a break talking
about divisive American politics
to talk about what is going on?
It's aliens?
Well, first of all, we don't call them aliens anymore.
That's kind of a politically incorrect term.
We call them-- RONNY CHIENG: Oh, they're woke.
The aliens are woke.
We now call them in the Pentagon NHI,
Non-Human Intelligence.
OK, maybe we should probably give
people your bonafides a bit.
You are-- You ran--
You are in intelligence and counterintelligence for the--
Right.
Yeah, so after college, I spent some time, went
into the United States Army, spent some time
in military intelligence.
And then from there, I was recruited
into some special activity programs
where I became a special agent in counterintelligence,
investigating terrorism and espionage.
And in 2009, early 2009, I was brought in
to run counterintelligence for that program, what is now known
as AATIP, the Advanced Aerospace
Threat Identification Program.
And later on, I wound up being one of its senior members.
RONNY CHIENG: Right, so you are a military man, A veteran.
You are intelligence officer, counterintelligence officer,
A grown adult. By your own words,
you're also a fact-based person.
You've said that in interviews.
Fact, yeah.
But I'm also proof that you don't
have to be intelligent to be an intelligence officer.
Well, no, I wouldn't go that far.
Let me just put that out there.
OK well, let me put this out there.
What the [BLEEP] is going on with these aliens?
There's aliens?
So what is alien? What is going on?
There's aliens?
What-- what is this?
So the US government for many decades
has been investing a lot of taxpayer money
looking into this topic here.
And it turns out that there are absolutely technologies that
are coming into our controlled US airspace,
over our sensitive military installations--
may have the ability to interfere
with our nuclear equities.
And yeah, it's real.
And not only are pilots picking it up and reporting it,
also, we've got an electro-optical data
like gun camera footage, flare footage, and also radar data.
And it's not just here.
It looks like it's pretty pervasive all over the
world now.
[LAUGHTER]
So what? There's aliens.
There's [BLEEP] aliens.
There are [BLEEP] aliens on Earth right now,
and they are doing shit.
What are they doing?
Depending how you put those two words together,
I'm not sure [INAUDIBLE]--
I'm not sure they're necessarily--
You can't hear me?
Yo, there are [BLEEP] aliens come.
OK, so what are they doing?
What are they doing here?
What are they doing?
So it appears that they're very
interested in our technology.
We don't know yet.
I want to be very clear here. RONNY CHIENG: But why?
They came here.
They don't want to look at my iPhone 16.
[LAUGHS] No, but--
They got shit that flew across the stars.
They don't care about--
They are very interested in our military equities
and capabilities and also our nuclear technology.
And I think, for me, what was most compelling is
that, in some cases you had literally,
literally near misses of US combat aircraft coming
within 15 feet of these objects, in some cases,
literally splitting a combat formation
right down the middle.
These are things that can do things that none
of our vehicles can replicate.
Their performance capabilities are far beyond anything
that we have.
And quite frankly, there's not a whole lot
we can do about it right now.
[LAUGHTER]
So beyond a shadow of a doubt,
you've seen the evidence.
There are aliens.
Oh, the government's already come out.
Look, you have a former director
of national intelligence, a former director of CIA,
a former president of the United States
all coming out and saying officially,
yeah, there's something to this.
I mean, these things look like there's--
they are definitely interested in our stuff.
And furthermore, when the government first came out
with their new UFO program called AARO,
their first report said, yeah, there's 143 of these incidents,
but we expect these numbers to go down as we figure them out.
The next report that came out, there was over 300.
The next report, there's now over 800.
So the number is increasing, not decreasing.
RONNY CHIENG: OK, so why-- is this getting buried
in the cycle or something?
Because Donald Trump says, "I hate Taylor Swift," so we
just never see this stuff?
What do you mean presidents?
The government has said these things are around and we--
Therein lies a problem.
It's a bureaucracy.
Look, the men and women, fine men
and women of the Pentagon and the US government
do incredible work.
And most of the time, we are a lot
better off as a society because of their professionalism.
Unfortunately, in this particular case,
the bureaucracy was a problem.
We continue to try to get alarm bells up
to the secretary of defense over and over again,
but there was this layer of these proverbial Praetorian
Guards that didn't want to tell the secretary of defense
that we were spending taxpayer money looking
into these things, and oh, by the way, turns out
they're real.
RONNY CHIENG: OK, are you--
with all due respect, is there any chance
that you are accidentally describing the synopsis
to Independence Day?
Because that's the movie.
That was in the movie.
They couldn't get to the dude.
Yeah.
- Because they wouldn't listen. - I hope not.
So you're telling me aliens are going to take over because
of US government bureaucracy?
Well, I certainly hope that's not the case.
I think-- you know, when we look at this issue here,
this has been going on for decades.
This has been going on since the late 1940s.
Now, when I say that, people go, wait a minute.
You're talking about Roswell?
Was Roswell real?
Was Roswell real?
It was, absolutely.
OK, so what--
what was at Roswell?
There was a crash.
It was a vehicle that had broken into two pieces,
and it was recovered by the United
States government, taken to a secure military installation.
And then from there, it went out to certain locations.
What is in that book I'm allowed to talk about,
that went through the pentagon review process,
so I am legally able to talk about it.
There are things that I'm still not yet allowed to talk about.
RONNY CHIENG: What are those things?
Tell us those things.
[LAUGHTER]
That sounds like--
Well, let's see here.
I do not look good in an orange jumpsuit,
so I got to be very careful.
Are you going to look good in whatever jumpsuit
the aliens put on you?
You better-- We better be--
We better be--
It sounds like we're battling aliens and bureaucracy here.
Can we-- - Yeah.
I don't know if we can fight a two-front war on this.
Can we choose a side to fight here?
I think I'd prefer to fight aliens,
if I had to choose between bureaucracy and--
to be honest with you.
But OK, so in the book, you say that--
and by the way, I mean, I read the book, and it's a very--
it's a page turner.
It's very well written.
It's easy to follow In it, you say,
like the best case scenario right now is that aliens are
a national security threat.
Issue. RONNY CHIENG: Issue.
So to determine if something is a threat,
it's really a very simple calculus.
It's capabilities versus intent.
Now, we've seen some of the capabilities.
We still have no idea the intent.
So therefore, we don't know if it's a threat.
But let me give you a very quick analogy here.
You probably live in a great, lovely area,
just like your audience here.
Do you lock your door at night?
I live in New York City, so no, not really.
Do you lock your front door?
It's probably there's aliens here right now in New
York City, as you can see.
Yeah, I do lock my front door.
And most people do.
And let's say you lock your windows
and you turn on your alarm.
Let's say, one Sunday morning, you
come downstairs to have a hot cup of coffee or tea,
and despite your doors being locked and your window
and your alarm on, there's now size 12 muddy boot prints
on your living room floor and your carpet that weren't
there the night before.
And no one's been hurt.
Nothing's out of place.
But despite you doing all this other stuff
and locking doors and making sure the alarm is on,
there are now footprints on your living
room carpet that weren't there the night before.
My question to you is, is that a threat?
And so my response is, from a national security perspective--
I was wearing my national security hat--
it could be if it wanted to be, so we
probably should figure out how it's getting into the house.
You should probably move at that point.
We should probably--
Get out of that apartment.
There's boot prints.
There's people walking around.
So these things, we are encountering them
over controlled US airspace, like I said,
over sensitive military installations.
And so from a national security perspective,
we've got to figure out what these things are.
RONNY CHIENG: No shit! No shit!
We got to figure out what's going--
You see, you're saying-- you're being very professional.
You're being very technical, and you're being very calm
as an intelligence officer.
And then you're saying there's aliens here that we
don't know what they want.
What-- OK, what should people take away from this?
There's aliens and what--
When you see it, shoot on sight?
What should we do?
No, no, don't do that.
I would recommend not doing that.
I think what people need to know right now,
the US government is taking this topic very seriously.
There's several pieces of legislation that are going
through Congress right now.
There are members in both the House and the Senate
that have been briefed by whistleblowers on this topic,
people who have been part of certain efforts,
UAP efforts in the past.
RONNY CHIENG: You're sure it's not getting mixed
up with the Border Act, right?
Because that-- when you say aliens,
I don't think they really know which
ones you're talking about. - Right, well, these--
I mean-- yeah, you have illegal aliens, and then you've got--
RONNY CHIENG: You've got illegal aliens, yeah.
You got some other--
Right.
Right.
Right.
So there's acts coming up.
There's legislation.
We're legislating against intergalactic aliens?
Well, I think the idea is to open
the door for whistleblowers to come out and be able to have
a protected conversation with Congress
so Congress can then have a conversation
with the American people.
I think that's really what this is about.
And certainly, I think there are certain people--
and by the way, for the first time,
this is a bipartisan issue.
You've got both liberals and conservatives on the Hill.
Can you believe it?
Of all things, UAP?
Right?
No, see, that's the most far-fetched
thing you've said all day.
I know, right? Right.
That is not--
Who would have thought?
I'll believe aliens, but this?
Right.
There's no way these guys are working together.
Right. They are.
I swear to God.
I can't say who they are, but their names have already been,
I think, in the press quite a bit.
But on both sides, they are taking
this topic very seriously.
A lot of these folks have military backgrounds.
RONNY CHIENG: Why don't they just let
it out, just let the news out?
Just tell people.
Just show them the freaking-- show them the photo
of the alien selfie with the president,
and then let's get it out there, and let's handle it.
We've spent many decades backing ourselves into a corner
on this conversation.
And the government has said publicly what its position is.
Now, it's in a situation where it's
having to unwind that conversation
and say, look, folks, we haven't
always been completely forthcoming and truthful
with you.
And that's a hard conversation to have.
RONNY CHIENG: What are you talking about?
There's aliens!
Have the conversation.
There's aliens.
There's aliens.
There's aliens.
I don't know what--
All right, well, can we stop them?
Well, I don't know.
I mean, that's not a question for me.
That's a question for our leaders.
RONNY CHIENG: It's kind of a question for you.
I think you're the only one who can-- because it
sounds like your attitude also seems to be like, yeah,
they're here.
I've seen them.
They have capabilities beyond our understanding and nothing
much we can do about it.
So, you know, keep watching Paramount Plus and--
I don't know what we're supposed to do about this now.
Look, I personally think Americans can handle
the truth about this topic.
I think it is--
I mean, we can joke a lot about it,
but the reality is is that these things,
whatever they are, wherever they're from--
RONNY CHIENG: They're [BLEEP] aliens.
This is real. RONNY CHIENG: Yeah so--
these are real? All right.
Yeah, it's real, whatever it is.
RONNY CHIENG: OK, well, is there a chance
that if the government tells people aliens are real
and shows them, we'll unite together in a global effort
to defeat them and [INAUDIBLE].
Well, you know, there was a famous speech by Reagan
back in the '80s where he--
RONNY CHIENG: By Bill Pullman in Independence Day.
[LAUGHTER]
And him, yeah, that's right.
Where they said that if the truth of this came out,
it would probably unite the world.
But the reality is-- RONNY CHIENG: We need it now.
Let's go! Aliens!
Aliens! Let's go now.
This is the time. - The reality is--
This is the time.
We got a lot of shit going down now.
Aliens, come.
Aliens-- now I'm down for aliens now.
OK.
If we-- look, uniting Congress is already
a big enough challenge.
Let's get these folks on the same sheet of music.
Let's get the briefings they need
and then let them have a conversation
with their constituents.
RONNY CHIENG: You're talking about paperwork.
I'm talking about aliens.
OK, but the government survives off paperwork.
It is a bureaucracy, unfortunately.
So we have to--
look, I've always said-- there's
a there's a right way to do things,
and you can do also it right now.
But they're not necessarily the same thing.
Doing things right and right now
may not be, you know, the same, the same thing.
RONNY CHIENG: What do you mean?
There's aliens, and you want to go through bureaucracy
and try to unite Congress before you
can fight the aliens?
No, fight the aliens.
Get the aliens out.
I think there's opportunity here.
In the last seven years, I think
we've come further on this conversation
than we have the last 70.
There are elements now in the government that want
this conversation to occur.
They want the American people to know, look,
this is the worst kept secret at this point, probably
in the US government.
I mean, it's pathetic, the fact that so many people now
in our in our militaries, our intelligence communities
have even in some cases come up close
and personal with these things. - Wait, what?
Yeah.
RONNY CHIENG: OK.
This is-- OK, this is crazy.
Anyway, Imminent is avail--
[LAUGHTER]
Imminent is available now.
I wish we could talk for hours about this thing,
but Luis Elizondo, everybody.